WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.590 --> 00:00:10.940 For hm 2 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:14.810 okay 3 00:00:15.110 --> 00:00:16.980 coming to hamburg 4 00:00:17.550 --> 00:00:20.000 which is a different case from munich 5 00:00:20.530 --> 00:00:20.920 Actually 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:28.380 hamburg has applied for your money and has been out competed by munich and others 7 00:00:28.380 --> 00:00:30.120 So there was another consortia 8 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:32.700 I think hamburgers partnering with 9 00:00:33.440 --> 00:00:35.410 I don't know what city again 10 00:00:35.410 --> 00:00:37.480 but other european cities 11 00:00:37.480 --> 00:00:38.810 And that's uh 12 00:00:38.810 --> 00:00:41.180 I mean only one got it 13 00:00:41.180 --> 00:00:43.430 which is the consult on that 14 00:00:43.430 --> 00:00:45.100 I've just mentioned with music 15 00:00:45.940 --> 00:00:47.470 but still in hamburg 16 00:00:47.570 --> 00:00:51.070 The mayor is very keen to be the smart city 17 00:00:51.070 --> 00:00:53.100 the smart city of germany 18 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.680 And so the lord mayor 19 00:00:57.680 --> 00:00:58.860 the first mayor 20 00:00:59.130 --> 00:00:59.850 yeah 21 00:01:00.760 --> 00:01:01.580 um 22 00:01:02.610 --> 00:01:05.680 partner with cisco or cisco partner 23 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:07.840 with the municipality of hamburg 24 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:08.900 whatever you 25 00:01:09.220 --> 00:01:09.520 uh 26 00:01:09.520 --> 00:01:09.980 however 27 00:01:09.980 --> 00:01:12.310 you would like to see it actually 28 00:01:12.310 --> 00:01:12.570 uh 29 00:01:12.570 --> 00:01:17.710 he with the mayor for economic affairs and a representative of cisco 30 00:01:17.710 --> 00:01:18.990 the international 31 00:01:19.050 --> 00:01:19.640 um 32 00:01:19.810 --> 00:01:22.540 supply of I t solutions 33 00:01:23.290 --> 00:01:31.350 They signed a memorandum of understanding in twenty fourteen and said that they would develop aisle at projects in mobility 34 00:01:31.350 --> 00:01:33.580 transport in lightning 35 00:01:33.580 --> 00:01:46.390 And the service is first and test them use the harbour the ports as a test field and also the university hospital and the new development 36 00:01:46.390 --> 00:01:47.530 the new um 37 00:01:47.530 --> 00:01:49.450 urban development housing city 38 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:50.060 uh 39 00:01:50.060 --> 00:01:52.220 which is going on since many years 40 00:01:52.220 --> 00:01:55.580 You probably know half and city development um 41 00:01:55.580 --> 00:01:59.200 and use all these fields as for testing 42 00:01:59.390 --> 00:02:00.220 Um 43 00:02:00.220 --> 00:02:02.120 what you can do in a german context 44 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:02.900 actually 45 00:02:03.050 --> 00:02:05.050 with regard to smart technology 46 00:02:07.380 --> 00:02:07.820 Uh 47 00:02:07.820 --> 00:02:15.170 so they said we are very proud to announce that we are now going to develop jointly this sitting into a small city 48 00:02:16.180 --> 00:02:18.630 If you ask them a few months later 49 00:02:18.810 --> 00:02:21.880 So what about this smart city thing 50 00:02:21.880 --> 00:02:22.200 Yeah 51 00:02:22.200 --> 00:02:23.000 actually 52 00:02:23.190 --> 00:02:24.720 we are on a digital agenda 53 00:02:24.720 --> 00:02:28.830 We recall now we've got an agenda of digitalize in hamburg 54 00:02:29.170 --> 00:02:31.080 We are not calling it small city 55 00:02:32.430 --> 00:02:34.030 And actually 56 00:02:34.030 --> 00:02:34.300 yeah 57 00:02:34.300 --> 00:02:39.550 we're just coordinating all the administrations and do some few experiments 58 00:02:40.070 --> 00:02:45.980 But actually this corporate corporation with cisco is just one element of many 59 00:02:46.780 --> 00:02:47.530 which is 60 00:02:47.530 --> 00:02:47.920 I think 61 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:48.530 very 62 00:02:48.530 --> 00:02:49.720 very indicative 63 00:02:49.970 --> 00:02:59.940 If you look at the announcements and you can look at it and you can see here the the link and define the videos of the speeches when they sign this agreement 64 00:03:00.930 --> 00:03:02.430 And um 65 00:03:02.820 --> 00:03:03.610 later on 66 00:03:03.610 --> 00:03:04.370 actually 67 00:03:04.370 --> 00:03:07.370 you don't find very much that has been implemented 68 00:03:09.530 --> 00:03:15.120 but from this day when the memorandum has been signed 69 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:16.090 um 70 00:03:16.090 --> 00:03:18.690 I I took this presentation of um 71 00:03:18.690 --> 00:03:20.960 the metric from francisco 72 00:03:21.580 --> 00:03:25.600 And just to look at the perspective and and the promises 73 00:03:25.810 --> 00:03:26.010 uh 74 00:03:26.010 --> 00:03:28.630 with regards to the smart city development 75 00:03:31.110 --> 00:03:43.010 So the expectations in twenty thirteen have been that there's quite a lot of money to be earned in germany with smart city applications 76 00:03:43.530 --> 00:03:48.330 with seven hundred and thirty six billion year 77 00:03:48.330 --> 00:03:48.630 um 78 00:03:48.630 --> 00:03:54.200 dollars were from private investments and most little much less um 79 00:03:54.200 --> 00:03:55.060 from public 80 00:03:55.060 --> 00:03:55.840 um 81 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:00.180 money within the years twenty thirteen to twenty twenty 82 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.820 So in a ten year and a ten year perspective 83 00:04:04.490 --> 00:04:06.000 And um 84 00:04:07.670 --> 00:04:11.600 so this is what they make the smart city look like 85 00:04:12.320 --> 00:04:20.280 You've got really cloud services connecting the smart city as such with the stadium and um 86 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:26.680 a municipal command and control center like what you expect from a smart city 87 00:04:27.370 --> 00:04:38.550 a smart grid as well having the smart hospital because in the hamburgers while a large university hospital which is advanced in and paperless strategy 88 00:04:38.550 --> 00:04:39.400 for example 89 00:04:39.400 --> 00:04:40.430 for many years 90 00:04:41.340 --> 00:04:42.210 um 91 00:04:42.470 --> 00:04:49.240 but also the smart highway and the smart factory and the ports needs to be shown somewhere as well 92 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.610 The the harbor 93 00:04:53.370 --> 00:04:55.430 IT's not there even no 94 00:04:58.870 --> 00:05:00.720 The logistics optimization 95 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:00.980 Yeah 96 00:05:00.980 --> 00:05:05.420 because they want to really experiment about optimizing 97 00:05:05.640 --> 00:05:05.960 um 98 00:05:05.960 --> 00:05:17.090 traffic flows in the harbor area where I can really understand that it's easier to optimize because it's just trucks and not pedestrians and cyclists and so on 99 00:05:17.760 --> 00:05:18.590 Um 100 00:05:18.820 --> 00:05:23.080 so this is like what what did the clock and now how to realize that 101 00:05:24.080 --> 00:05:24.580 Um 102 00:05:24.580 --> 00:05:27.780 I I took it as from this presentation again 103 00:05:27.780 --> 00:05:32.480 I took it like a a wish list for the future from the perspective of cisco 104 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:34.950 So visionary leadership 105 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:37.520 then global open standards 106 00:05:37.520 --> 00:05:43.530 because all the axis in germany complained that the standards are not in place for the smart grid 107 00:05:43.530 --> 00:05:44.480 for example 108 00:05:44.770 --> 00:05:47.570 what to do with the data from the smart meters 109 00:05:47.660 --> 00:05:48.090 You know 110 00:05:48.090 --> 00:05:50.160 there's a roll out of smart metering 111 00:05:50.460 --> 00:05:58.370 but nobody actually can employ the data because there's no standards and no legal framework 112 00:05:58.370 --> 00:06:02.810 We're using the doctor and for actually having the the splits 113 00:06:02.810 --> 00:06:04.400 tariffs and so on 114 00:06:04.970 --> 00:06:09.080 So they complained a lot about the lack of standardization 115 00:06:09.430 --> 00:06:10.670 smart regulation 116 00:06:10.670 --> 00:06:13.890 And I find it interesting what kind of picture he took for that 117 00:06:14.630 --> 00:06:15.150 Um 118 00:06:15.150 --> 00:06:18.880 then public private partnerships and I add people to it 119 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:26.860 make it not triple p but quadruple p and a new ecosystem will emerge 120 00:06:26.860 --> 00:06:31.290 And we probably see recognize what kind of picture it took 121 00:06:31.520 --> 00:06:35.870 although it's very outdated because there's at least two sky sky scrapers 122 00:06:35.870 --> 00:06:36.750 Amazing 123 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:40.650 So it's and he took an old photo up some height 124 00:06:42.280 --> 00:06:43.040 So 125 00:06:44.130 --> 00:06:44.970 um 126 00:06:45.310 --> 00:06:47.090 I couldn't find a good photo 127 00:06:47.090 --> 00:06:48.210 There's movies 128 00:06:48.210 --> 00:06:48.550 Actually 129 00:06:48.550 --> 00:06:51.240 you can see movies from this example 130 00:06:51.530 --> 00:06:51.860 Um 131 00:06:51.860 --> 00:06:55.320 because it's it's like what they presented um 132 00:06:55.320 --> 00:06:56.080 very 133 00:06:56.230 --> 00:07:02.350 very intensely as an example of how you can actually make the hospital smart 134 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:04.360 Um 135 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:10.830 they connected one one boy at the world in hospital is being very sick 136 00:07:11.010 --> 00:07:11.910 Obviously 137 00:07:11.910 --> 00:07:13.350 he couldn't leave the world 138 00:07:13.350 --> 00:07:14.870 he could leave the hospital 139 00:07:15.050 --> 00:07:18.750 So they made him communicate with um 140 00:07:18.750 --> 00:07:19.990 his schoolmates 141 00:07:19.990 --> 00:07:21.020 his classmates 142 00:07:21.250 --> 00:07:23.510 and actually participate in the lectures 143 00:07:23.510 --> 00:07:25.800 Also in in the lessons at school 144 00:07:26.270 --> 00:07:37.100 they just equipped him with the mobile telecommunications advice on a little trolley so that it could be taken with him or not with him 145 00:07:37.100 --> 00:07:40.090 but with the class actually 146 00:07:40.280 --> 00:07:40.620 um 147 00:07:40.620 --> 00:07:41.640 from lesson to lesson 148 00:07:41.640 --> 00:07:42.520 from school 149 00:07:42.520 --> 00:07:45.130 from uh lecture hall to lecture hall 150 00:07:45.340 --> 00:07:45.730 Actually 151 00:07:45.730 --> 00:07:48.160 it was just bringing things together 152 00:07:49.270 --> 00:07:50.090 Um 153 00:07:50.340 --> 00:07:52.820 using mobile teleconferencing equipment 154 00:07:53.020 --> 00:07:58.360 But they really take this as a showcase of what you can do in terms of the smart hospital 155 00:07:59.460 --> 00:08:00.250 So I asked 156 00:08:00.250 --> 00:08:01.100 is this really 157 00:08:01.100 --> 00:08:01.380 I mean 158 00:08:01.380 --> 00:08:02.320 IT's IT's nice 159 00:08:02.320 --> 00:08:03.100 IT's very nice 160 00:08:03.100 --> 00:08:03.930 obviously 161 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:09.420 But how innovative is this is can can I really show off in shanghai with this example 162 00:08:10.200 --> 00:08:10.730 Um 163 00:08:10.730 --> 00:08:20.210 but it's I think it's telling because you know the the young boy you feel very sorry for him and you think really he needs to be helped with some technology 164 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:25.730 So this is the kind of cases people use to promote the smart city 165 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:34.170 And for me it's telling because it's the people are really in need of such cases to sell the smart city in germany 166 00:08:35.150 --> 00:08:39.010 So this is indicated for me that they use like the the boy 167 00:08:39.010 --> 00:08:41.470 And it's very nice that they gave him this equipment 168 00:08:41.570 --> 00:08:43.380 But IThink IT's important 169 00:08:43.380 --> 00:08:52.930 IT's important to understand what kind of cases they use to actually promote the agenda of smart city development in germany 170 00:08:55.470 --> 00:08:56.390 So what we can learn 171 00:08:56.390 --> 00:08:56.850 I think 172 00:08:56.850 --> 00:08:59.380 is um 173 00:08:59.550 --> 00:09:01.090 full bodied announcements 174 00:09:01.090 --> 00:09:03.860 The first mayor having really um 175 00:09:03.860 --> 00:09:09.420 bold statements about hamburg will be the smart city in a few years time 176 00:09:10.740 --> 00:09:15.870 And then if you speak to the people in the administration who are actually implementing the agenda 177 00:09:16.060 --> 00:09:16.500 they say 178 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:16.880 oh yeah 179 00:09:16.880 --> 00:09:20.230 we just to our everyday work and it's quite complicated 180 00:09:20.230 --> 00:09:22.310 but we we do fairly well 181 00:09:22.550 --> 00:09:23.050 Actually 182 00:09:23.050 --> 00:09:26.480 IT's not that much different from what we did five years ago 183 00:09:28.820 --> 00:09:32.110 but the industry is keen to demonstrate its abilities 184 00:09:32.490 --> 00:09:34.400 And that's why I show this this 185 00:09:34.400 --> 00:09:34.950 uh 186 00:09:34.950 --> 00:09:41.910 our mentioned this story from the hospital because they face barriers in promoting this agenda 187 00:09:41.970 --> 00:09:43.670 particular the industry 188 00:09:43.870 --> 00:09:45.150 Because these expectations 189 00:09:45.150 --> 00:09:47.740 how much they earn out 190 00:09:47.740 --> 00:09:48.300 of course 191 00:09:48.300 --> 00:09:50.720 reflected in people saying 192 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.440 I I is my city becoming a smart city 193 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.270 So how much will that cost and who's going to pay 194 00:09:57.540 --> 00:09:59.200 And um 195 00:09:59.450 --> 00:10:04.000 so there's lacking standards as ascent and hesitation in administration as well 196 00:10:04.300 --> 00:10:05.970 Because people say actually 197 00:10:05.970 --> 00:10:07.710 if everything is very smart 198 00:10:07.710 --> 00:10:09.750 actually will I be needed 199 00:10:10.520 --> 00:10:16.300 And I may be bring myself out of the job here and the skeptics 200 00:10:16.300 --> 00:10:16.740 I mean 201 00:10:16.740 --> 00:10:20.140 IT's kept as captive public or different publics 202 00:10:20.140 --> 00:10:20.970 actually 203 00:10:22.610 --> 00:10:27.310 And so there's limits to the public private partnerships 204 00:10:27.610 --> 00:10:32.730 And I think that they are not mentioning the municipality that they are mentioning 205 00:10:32.730 --> 00:10:35.430 Cisco only as one partner amongst many 206 00:10:35.430 --> 00:10:39.560 although they had this this strong memorandum of understanding 207 00:10:39.990 --> 00:10:40.490 um 208 00:10:40.490 --> 00:10:42.430 hints to a certain problem 209 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:49.280 Because if cisco is allowed to run the whole system integrated fully 210 00:10:50.170 --> 00:10:53.520 then what about ibm and siemens and others 211 00:10:54.040 --> 00:10:57.910 I think that's not really a problem with regard to those um 212 00:10:57.910 --> 00:11:04.850 exclusive partnerships in those public private partnerships because of um 213 00:11:04.850 --> 00:11:05.990 competition law 214 00:11:05.990 --> 00:11:08.340 Actually in the eu framework 215 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:09.600 the you would say 216 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:10.040 hey 217 00:11:10.820 --> 00:11:12.760 I can't give competitiveness 218 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.370 So there's what some complications here 219 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:19.230 But again 220 00:11:19.300 --> 00:11:25.200 IT's experimentation and demonstration rather than full implementation 221 00:11:26.780 --> 00:11:30.970 And we find this was the first part 222 00:11:33.310 --> 00:12:02.530 You can in chinese just asking chinese 223 00:12:03.230 --> 00:12:05.730 but matter 224 00:12:06.390 --> 00:12:06.970 yeah 225 00:12:07.300 --> 00:12:12.410 because part of the past 226 00:12:16.500 --> 00:12:18.410 the charge what 227 00:12:19.050 --> 00:12:20.890 Let's go back to say on that 228 00:12:28.030 --> 00:12:30.820 So to to talk more slowly 229 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:36.910 Did ya 230 00:12:37.680 --> 00:12:38.470 one sided 231 00:12:41.740 --> 00:12:43.520 And my question have sex 232 00:12:45.920 --> 00:12:46.320 Yes 233 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.130 I think so 234 00:12:47.130 --> 00:12:54.340 This market stop when you see the conclusion and no 235 00:12:54.340 --> 00:12:56.430 i'm not news 236 00:12:58.140 --> 00:12:58.710 Um 237 00:12:58.760 --> 00:12:59.900 it down a little bit 238 00:13:01.350 --> 00:13:02.310 No book 239 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:03.360 The fact 240 00:13:03.770 --> 00:13:04.130 right 241 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:04.970 The sounds 242 00:13:08.050 --> 00:13:16.040 what's the difference to uh 243 00:13:16.040 --> 00:13:16.690 people started 244 00:13:16.980 --> 00:13:21.940 If I was fifteen to go attend a constant 245 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:39.890 Homeworks 246 00:13:39.890 --> 00:13:40.340 Yes 247 00:13:42.640 --> 00:13:45.060 And I think after after the whole thing 248 00:13:45.060 --> 00:13:46.820 we we can maybe discuss it again 249 00:13:46.820 --> 00:13:50.190 But I think it will be IT's very much at the moment 250 00:13:50.190 --> 00:13:51.950 depending on eu funding 251 00:13:51.950 --> 00:13:52.920 as I said 252 00:13:52.920 --> 00:13:56.740 because they really say we find you for small cITy projects 253 00:13:57.390 --> 00:14:00.130 And if if that wasn't there 254 00:14:00.670 --> 00:14:05.420 I think that was even much less talk about smart city development 255 00:14:06.460 --> 00:14:12.040 I mean people try to integrate infrastructures seems very long 256 00:14:12.040 --> 00:14:13.940 and it's IT's always been difficult 257 00:14:13.940 --> 00:14:15.460 and IT will remain difficult 258 00:14:15.460 --> 00:14:17.130 And this agenda will last 259 00:14:17.530 --> 00:14:22.890 And also the making services ever more accessible to citizens electronically 260 00:14:23.090 --> 00:14:25.850 This agenda is an older tender and it will last 261 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:32.620 But the talk about the smart city integrating infrastructures with information technology 262 00:14:32.620 --> 00:14:34.770 I think that might be short lived 263 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:43.920 Yeah 264 00:14:43.920 --> 00:14:44.720 yeah 265 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.000 yeah 266 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:49.860 we have to media 267 00:14:51.280 --> 00:14:54.490 yeah 268 00:14:54.490 --> 00:14:58.100 IT's got much more attention and that's been early 269 00:14:58.100 --> 00:14:59.440 They've been the first one 270 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.610 And i've developed really into kind of agenda 271 00:15:02.610 --> 00:15:05.210 Setter vienna is the case 272 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:06.650 Everybody quotes yeah 273 00:15:06.650 --> 00:15:11.340 and they they produce documents on what uh 274 00:15:11.340 --> 00:15:14.190 smart city development can mean in europe 275 00:15:14.770 --> 00:15:23.310 So they are right really the like the top runner of the whole european european debate together with amsterdam and a few others 276 00:15:23.670 --> 00:15:24.950 And um 277 00:15:25.030 --> 00:15:26.850 and they but they were actually 278 00:15:26.850 --> 00:15:29.630 they were very um 279 00:15:30.380 --> 00:15:32.600 important in refraining it 280 00:15:32.860 --> 00:15:36.880 making it not a purely technology driven one 281 00:15:36.990 --> 00:15:37.690 They said no 282 00:15:37.690 --> 00:15:37.990 no 283 00:15:37.990 --> 00:15:48.240 we need to really define smart city in a way that it actually actually matches with with our ambitions to improve the quality of life in our city 284 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.100 Because vienna is high ranking with regard to living quality 285 00:15:52.300 --> 00:15:54.550 They always rank very high 286 00:15:54.550 --> 00:15:55.890 When people are asked 287 00:15:55.890 --> 00:15:58.100 do you like to live in vienna or not 288 00:15:58.760 --> 00:16:03.640 And so then you combine this and they also say we are actually the city of slow pace 289 00:16:03.640 --> 00:16:04.350 you know 290 00:16:04.570 --> 00:16:10.690 being very relaxed and calm and and then combine the smart city with the livability agenda 291 00:16:10.890 --> 00:16:15.650 And that that's kind of trade mark their brand 292 00:16:17.870 --> 00:16:18.630 Okay 293 00:16:22.370 --> 00:16:22.850 yeah