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coming to hamburg

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which is a different case from munich

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hamburg has applied for your money and has been out competed by munich and others

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So there was another consortia

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I think hamburgers partnering with

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I don't know what city again

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but other european cities

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I mean only one got it

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which is the consult on that

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I've just mentioned with music

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but still in hamburg

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The mayor is very keen to be the smart city

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the smart city of germany

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And so the lord mayor

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the first mayor

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partner with cisco or cisco partner

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with the municipality of hamburg

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whatever you

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you would like to see it actually

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he with the mayor for economic affairs and a representative of cisco

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the international

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supply of I t solutions

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They signed a memorandum of understanding in twenty fourteen and said that they would develop aisle at projects in mobility

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transport in lightning

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And the service is first and test them use the harbour the ports as a test field and also the university hospital and the new development

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the new um

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urban development housing city

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which is going on since many years

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You probably know half and city development um

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and use all these fields as for testing

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what you can do in a german context

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with regard to smart technology

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so they said we are very proud to announce that we are now going to develop jointly this sitting into a small city

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If you ask them a few months later

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So what about this smart city thing

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we are on a digital agenda

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We recall now we've got an agenda of digitalize in hamburg

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We are not calling it small city

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we're just coordinating all the administrations and do some few experiments

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But actually this corporate corporation with cisco is just one element of many

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very indicative

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If you look at the announcements and you can look at it and you can see here the the link and define the videos of the speeches when they sign this agreement

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later on

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you don't find very much that has been implemented

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but from this day when the memorandum has been signed

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I I took this presentation of um

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the metric from francisco

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And just to look at the perspective and and the promises

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with regards to the smart city development

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So the expectations in twenty thirteen have been that there's quite a lot of money to be earned in germany with smart city applications

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with seven hundred and thirty six billion year

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dollars were from private investments and most little much less um

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So in a ten year and a ten year perspective

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so this is what they make the smart city look like

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You've got really cloud services connecting the smart city as such with the stadium and um

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a municipal command and control center like what you expect from a smart city

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a smart grid as well having the smart hospital because in the hamburgers while a large university hospital which is advanced in and paperless strategy

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but also the smart highway and the smart factory and the ports needs to be shown somewhere as well

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because they want to really experiment about optimizing

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traffic flows in the harbor area where I can really understand that it's easier to optimize because it's just trucks and not pedestrians and cyclists and so on

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so this is like what what did the clock and now how to realize that

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I I took it as from this presentation again

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I took it like a a wish list for the future from the perspective of cisco

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So visionary leadership

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then global open standards

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because all the axis in germany complained that the standards are not in place for the smart grid

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what to do with the data from the smart meters

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there's a roll out of smart metering

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but nobody actually can employ the data because there's no standards and no legal framework

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then public private partnerships and I add people to it

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make it not triple p but quadruple p and a new ecosystem will emerge

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And we probably see recognize what kind of picture it took

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although it's very outdated because there's at least two sky sky scrapers

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they connected one one boy at the world in hospital is being very sick

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they just equipped him with the mobile telecommunications advice on a little trolley so that it could be taken with him or not with him

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but it's I think it's telling because you know the the young boy you feel very sorry for him and you think really he needs to be helped with some technology

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So this is the kind of cases people use to promote the smart city

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And for me it's telling because it's the people are really in need of such cases to sell the smart city in germany

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So this is indicated for me that they use like the the boy

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IT's important to understand what kind of cases they use to actually promote the agenda of smart city development in germany

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bold statements about hamburg will be the smart city in a few years time

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we just to our everyday work and it's quite complicated

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but the industry is keen to demonstrate its abilities

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our mentioned this story from the hospital because they face barriers in promoting this agenda

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And I think after after the whole thing

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we we can maybe discuss it again

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depending on eu funding

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because they really say we find you for small cITy projects

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I think that was even much less talk about smart city development

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I mean people try to integrate infrastructures seems very long

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and it's IT's always been difficult

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and IT will remain difficult

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And this agenda will last

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And also the making services ever more accessible to citizens electronically

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This agenda is an older tender and it will last

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But the talk about the smart city integrating infrastructures with information technology

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IT's got much more attention and that's been early

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Setter vienna is the case

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and they they produce documents on what uh

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smart city development can mean in europe

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So they are right really the like the top runner of the whole european european debate together with amsterdam and a few others

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making it not a purely technology driven one

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we need to really define smart city in a way that it actually actually matches with with our ambitions to improve the quality of life in our city

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Because vienna is high ranking with regard to living quality

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They always rank very high

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When people are asked

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do you like to live in vienna or not

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And so then you combine this and they also say we are actually the city of slow pace

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you know

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being very relaxed and calm and and then combine the smart city with the livability agenda

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And that that's kind of trade mark their brand

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Okay

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yeah